Who was the fifth army in The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies movie?

    1. Elves
    2. Dwarves
    3. Men
    4. Orcs

    Who was the 5th army in The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies?

    the eagles and others.

    You can learn a lot about the battle here

    It's the wargs. Whomever named the battle put away their speciesism, at least for the moment. :)

  • In the book, it's the Wargs.

    it was called the Battle of Five Armies, and it was very terrible. Upon one side were the Goblins and the wild Wolves, and upon the other were Elves and Men and Dwarves.

    So in the book the armies are as follows:

    1. Dwarves.
    2. Men.
    3. Elves.
    4. Goblins (orcs).
    5. Wargs (wolves).

    The Eagles just turned up out of the blue. See also here.


    In the ... did they really make three Hobbit films??!

    Disclaimer: I know nothing about the film. The following list is copied from @Keen's answer.

    In the film, the armies are as follows:

    1. Men from the Lake Town under Bard.
    2. Elves from Mirkwood under Thranduil.
    3. Dwarves from the Iron Hills under Dain.
    4. Orcs from Dol Guldur, under Azog.
    5. Orcs/goblins from Gundabad, under Bolg.

    [stifles rant against Hollywood]

    Wargs fall under the Orcs, Eagles are the 5th

    @BobTheJanitor - The Eagles are an air force, not an army! Seriously, do you have a quote to back this up?

    Keen's answer had a link to the LOTR Wiki that points it out http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_the_Five_Armies

    @BobTheJanitor - As I pointed out in a comment to Keen's answer, that link doesn't make it clear which of the Wargs and Eagles is the 5th army.

    @randal'thor Read the rest of the page, it details which groups count as armies. Well, most of the groups, it doesn't start remarking on the subject until the 3rd army shows up.

    @richardb - Thank you very much! I was hunting for such a quote.

    @BobTheJanitor - you should be aware that the LotR Wiki contains a lot of nonsense and misinformation. In some cases it even contradicts what's in the actual books. You shouldn't rely on it as a source of accurate information, because it's not. See e.g http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/73702/does-using-the-black-speech-attract-the-eye-of-sauron for another example.

    @BobTheJanitor at least in the book, the wargs were an independent, sentient race complete with a language of their own. So they would count as the 5th army.

    @DarthSatan Thanks for pointing out the issues with that Wiki, I've edited my answer.

    I'll check the book when I get back home for the holidays, but I've always thought the Eagles are the 5th army.

    I always thought the fifth army was the Eagles, but I looked it up in the book. The line from the book (mentioned in this answer) says it is Orcs, Wargs, Men, Elves, Dwarves.

    I think the old Hobbit cartoon implied the eagles were the fifth army.

    "I know nothing about the film." — How fortunate you are!

    @BobTheJanitor You're mistaken, it's canonical that the five armies are elves, men, dwarves, orcs and wargs. “So began a battle that none had expected; and it was called the Battle of Five Armies, and it was very terrible. Upon one side were the Goblins and the Wild Wolves, and upon the other were Elves and Men and Dwarves. This is how it fell out."

    I find it dissatisfying that the highest rated answer didn't actually answer the question. It uses information from the book which was changed in the movie(thus making the answer technically not answer the question asked)? While it was the best answer prior to the release, I no longer feel it is the case. Could we get a major edit adding in updated information now that the movie has been released as we actually know who the five armies are (per @Keen's most recent edit)?

    @KyleS. Very well, I'll edit my answer copying from Keen's. Anyone who knows more about the film than I do is welcome to edit further.

    @randal'thor Thanks! :) I didn't want to make it seem like I didn't appreciate the references to the books alongside an answer, but still wanted everything addressed clearly in the top voted answer (which is unlikely to change at this point).

  • From Chapter 17: The Clouds Burst:

    “So began a battle that none had expected; and it was called the Battle of Five Armies, and it was very terrible. Upon one side were the Goblins and the Wild Wolves, and upon the other were Elves and Men and Dwarves. This is how it fell out."

    yes, this canonically states Wargs are the 5th army. Unlike, say, the horses of Rohan the Wargs were a sentient and independent faction.

    I don't know how accurate to the film this will be though. In the films, Wargs are little more than evil horses; they lack the intelligence of the Wargs in the books.

    @Keen we'll see what Peter Jackson does. He might change the precise identities of the 5 listed armies. But wolves are the 5th in the book.

    Ouch, I was all set to go to bat for the Eagles, but that pretty much sets it in stone.

    @La-comadreja, after having seen the movie, I can tell you that there is no enumeration given. Multiple interpretations make sense, but I think the eagle make the most sense (in the movie).

    @PaulDraper I also saw the movie last night and agree that there is no explicit enumeration given. However, I thought the second Orc army--the group led by Bolg from Gundabad--was a much clearer choice for the fifth.

    @NeuroBear. By that token you could also count the dwarves of the Mountain. Their decision recurved a lot of weight and had significant consequences.

  • I'm guessing you haven't read the book, and are confused about the upcoming movie. In the books, the 5th army/faction is the Wargs, per the original text and NeuroBear's answer. However, the books are significantly different from the films in that the Wargs in the books are intelligent. The films changed them into being merely evil riding animals, essentially an Orc version of a horse. In the films, the Wargs are also not a significant presence on the battlefield. If anything, Trolls would be something of a substitute. The film went with the list below (in order of appearance):

    1. Men (i.e. plain ole' humans) from the Lake Town, under Bard.
    2. Elves from Mirkwood under Thranduil.
    3. Dwarves from the Iron Hills under Dain.
    4. Orcs from Dol Guldur, under Azog.
    5. Orcs/goblins from Gundabad, under Bolg. (explicitly referred to as an army by Bilbo, which is why this is my answer for the 5th army)

    And also the Eagles and Beorn show up, who swiftly defeated that final army.

    That the 5th army are a 2nd army of Orcs and goblins is a significant change from the book. In the book, all the Orcs/goblins come from Gundabad, as Azog was dead in the book at this point in time, having died in the battle where Thorin earned his title of Oakenshield. And also the Dol Guldur plot line was less significant. In the book, the one force of Orcs from Gundabad included Wargs and bats.

  • This color-coded map by PJ & co shows the troops movements in the battle using 5 different colors + a sixth color for Thorin's 13 and Beorn (neither of which are "armies"):

    • eagles (fuchsia)
    • goblins and wargs (pink)
    • elves (light blue)
    • dwarves (light green / yellow)
    • men (dark green)
    • Thorin's 13 + Beorn (not an army, orange)

    This seems (to me, at least) a canonical source as far as the movie is concerned.

    troops movements in the battle of the five armies

    The image was originally published in this Entertainment Weekly article.

    This quote from the article:

    “Tolkien uses eagles in a way that can be kind of awkward because they tend to show up out of the blue and change things pretty quickly,” says the director. “So here they’re just part of the plan, not the saviors. [...]"

    sounds (to me, at least) as a confirmation that the eagles are considered one of the armies, and not just a deus-ex-machina.

    The article was talked about on theonering.net, where TORN staffer Greendragon commented (emphasis mine):

    The map in EW’s article shows six different colour-coded groups – goblins and wargs are one colour, with eagles, elves, men and dwarves each having a different colour. This would seem to confirm what we at TORn have speculated in our panel presentations at various conventions – that Jackson’s five armies will in fact be men, dwarves, elves, orcs and eagles, with the wolves/wargs being a part of the orc army. The sixth colour on the diagram is for Beorn and Thorin – perhaps to highlight the key players of the battle (although Bard, though having his own spot on the schematic, does not share this orange colour – and it’s interesting to note that Dain, surely a key player, is not mentioned by name on this map; nor is Azog).

    The EW article itself is still online, but I cannot see the images anymore.

    I was able to retrieve the missing image thanks to google, who pointed me at this Collider article citing and quoting the EW one, together with the map.

    This article on a french site has some translated passages from the EW article together with another battle map, depicting a previous moment.


    An additional, "second-hand" (as it comes from the movie promotional campaign, instead of directly from the movie production team) evidence supporting this theory: Warner Bros Italy, using the official (italian) twitter account for the movie, held a contest asking twitter users to show their support to one of the five armies using specific hashtags:

    (if you are curious, the elves won :-))

    (I first talked about this twitter contest in a comment to Febby's answer, but then I thought it was better to write a complete answer)


    Another secondary evidence supporting the eagle theory, this time coming from the "To Which Army Do You Belong?" test recently linked from the movie facebook page.

    After answering six questions, users are redirected at one of these five pages:

    (I concede that promotional sites do not necessarily represent the highest degree of movie canonicity, but I cannot believe that Warner did not ask the production team for an official confirmation concerning something both simple and important as the identity of the eponymous armies)

  • The book seems to say, before the start of the battle, that the 5 armies are the Goblins (same as Orcs?), wild Wolves, Elves, Men and Dwarves. If that’s what the book is saying, then the Eagles, who do not appear until the end of the battle, are not included in the 5 armies.

    Also the book mentions only one Goblin (Orc) army, not two. Since the movie didn’t seem to have an army of Wolves/Wargs (it only showed a few of them), maybe the second Orc army under Azog was added to replace the wolf army in order to keep the number of armies at 5 and be consistent with the title. Then the 5 armies would be the Elves, Men, Dwarves, Orc army under Bolg, and Orc army under Azog.

  • In the movie they seem to be using 2 armies of Orcs. One from Moria which are the first Orc army to arrive on the battleground and the second, the Orcs from Gundabag, as the second army of Orcs attacking from the North.

    The first army wasn't from Moria, it was from Dol Guldur, where Sauron was shacked up.

  • The animals. Gandalf specifically tells Radagast to gather them, as they will be needed to fight the coming evil of Sauron's forces. It's made clear both in his directing Radagast to assemble them (and not just eagles and Beorn; there were more animals) and in them coming at the end to turn the tide. There is absolutely no focus on the wargs or wolves in the film. So it's the dwarves, elves, men, Sauron's forces of orcs, goblins, and other nasty creatures ... and the animals.

  • Most likely the Wargs as it was in other written media

    This information is already in the existing answers; is there any information you feel the other answers are missing, that you could include here to differentiate yourself?

  • If I'm not wrong, on this page the 5 armies are:

    1. The men (people of lake town)
    2. The elves
    3. The dwarves
    4. The Orcs or goblins from Dol Guldur and Mount Gundabad
    5. The Eagles

    The LOTR wiki is often wrong!

    I have seen the eagles explicitly cited as the fifth army in a movie-related contest on the (italian) Warner site

    A tweet from the (italian) movie twitter account citing "team eagles", after "team elves", "team dwarves", "team men" and "team orcs" (in the context of the same contest referred to in my previous comment).

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