Is it ever explained where Elsa got her powers?

  • I recently saw the movie Frozen, and got to wondering about Elsa's amazing Ice Powers.

    Where exactly did they come from? It's apparent that there's some type of curse from the dialogue between her parents and the Trolls, and possibly that it's an inherited curse from her father's knowledge of how to control it by wearing gloves, but does anything beyond that indicate how Elsa (and possibly the whole family) came to be cursed this way?

    The X-Gene, obviously.

    It's inborn, not cursed.

    @MichałPolitowski Disney doesn't have the rights for that. It was from exposure to the Terrigen Mist.

    Elsa's powers are a way of nature compensating for her innate hotness.

    Well, Jack Frosts had a sister. As for she grew up and the fill the emptyness in her heart, the sisters first daughter received powers to resemble Jack's. Or how Pixar drops eggs all the time ...

    I was going to say Terrigenesis but @MichałPolitowski got there first :)

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    6 years ago

    In-universe answer:

    It seems quite plausible that Elsa is descended from someone who was cursed by ice magic. That power may have then transferred down the family line.

    As you can see from the image below, the King's library has a book detailing the risks of being hit by ice powers. In this book we see a picture of a man being cured by trolls. The runes next to the picture state that his condition was caused by being...

    "...to stone brought forth (by) powers of the moon sky"

    presumably in much the same way that Rapunzel's powers relate to a drop of sunlight falling from the sky.

    Ice Powers

    Given the fine clothes he's wearing and the royal crest on his tunic, it's quite possible that he is of noble birth and hence, an ancestor of Elsa's. Assuming some of the residual 'ice magic' was left in this man's system after he was cured it would explain why one of his descendants was born with those same ice powers.

    Out-of-Universe answer:

    Screenwriter Jennifer Lee specifically spoke to this point in an interview with Scriptnotes. The origins of Elsa's powers (planetary alignment, predestination, etc) were intentionally obscured in order to simplify the story.

    In a nutshell, she has powers because the plotline requires her to have powers.

    Jennifer: And that there’s a connection between them, but yet it’s not in your face, but it’s just something that… — Because what I always loved about, particularly Pixar films for me, was that everything just added up. And everything had a special little, “Oh my god, oh my god, wait, and that, and that!” And it was my favorite thing and we wanted to make kind of every time we had a scene trying to say what is that that’s maximum, why is it here. If there’s anything extraneous we got to get rid of it.

    But yet adding all that flavor, so that’s why. But to move onto Elsa, it was an exhausting process coming to the simplicity of her powers. At times we had a narration by a troll, who used to have a Brooklyn accent for no reason other than I miss Brooklyn. You know, no reason. But, we had this whole explanation like when Saturn is in this alignment with such-and-such on the thousandth year a child will be born and blah, blah, blah. And then –

    John: Ultimately you almost throw it away with one line. So, the line is just like, “Was she born with the powers or was she cursed?. And it’s born with it and that’s the last piece of it.

    Aline: It’s so great.

    Jennifer: And that’s it. But I think part of what it was is if anything about us felt like it was like, “Oh, god, like okay, we have to say this,” then we didn’t want to say it. And then also we found the more you explained the more questions you had about magic and the rules. It was like, argh. You know?

    The out of universe detail is nice. Your in-universe answer suggesting remnants of a curse leading to a descendant being born with it is a stretch and doesn't add anything (In fact seems to be debunked by the interview excerpts.) I don't think Tangled serves as precedence, as Rapunzel was actually in-utero when Queen Primrose was treated with the flower and absorbed it's powers directly.

    The patient in the picture does appear to have Arendelle's crest on his tunic, but is wearing an unadorned helmet not a crown. Seems as likely to just be a soldier or guard as a descendant. Just as plausible explanation to the quick and ready access to the book... King: 'Hey, my daughter has these strange ice powers, maybe I should research them...'

    @Mr.Mindor - Ah, but we do see the powers transferred, suggesting it's at least a possibility.

    When do we see the powers transferred from one person to another? Other than by birth, which is a supposition by evidence that I allow for. Also, while this lends credence to it being an inherited trait, we can't realy determine that they 'cured' the fellow in the picture by this image alone. For all we know, that's an evil Troll who *created* the curse, and the other trolls are helping his decendents out of a need to atone for their wicked 'cousin''s behavior.

    @zibbobz - the out of universe answer clearly contradicts the in universe one. I'm merely pointing out that the powers of magic seem to be transferable. It's a possible answer, not a definitive one.

    @Richard Fair enough. It IS a good answer.

    That the King immediately knows what to do suggests personal or family experience with someone getting zapped by frosty magic—I'm putting my money on it being a family trait that's skipped a few generations :-)

    _"It was like, argh. You know?"_ Nobody can bloody speak any more.

    @LightnessRacesinOrbit - "*such-and-such on the thousandth year a child will be born and blah, blah, blah*"

    @Richard I'm glad you were able to decipher that interview. I don't understand it at all.

    If the picture shows someone being cured of the curse, why didn't the trolls cure Elsa? It could be that it shows someone injured by the powers being healed, like Anna. Also, idk about you but being born with ice powers would be a blessing, not a curse

    In-Universe states in the movie she was born with her powers. Past that is pure speculation. Towards other "lore" there is one other with the exact same power, but does not take the warm inside and fear thing the same as Elsa. Again, pure speculation since there is no connection past Repunzel and Nose guy joining the Coronation.

    It just occurred to me that, out of universe, the answer all along was to *let it go*.

    Of course, the REAL reason they didn't explain it is because now they have a plot for Frozen 2.

  • When they visit the trolls, the Grand Pabbie asks "Born or cursed?" Elsa's dad answers "Born." Aside from this, there is no other reference to how she got her powers. Here's a link to the screenplay. On page 6 is where they visit the trolls.

    EDIT AFTER FROZEN 2 RELEASE:

    Elsa was given her powers by the spirits in the North so that she could right the wrongs committed by her grandfather, and calm the angry nature spirits.

    Odd, I remember it being a curse from the movie...are you sure that's the final screenplay draft? I'll check it personally when I get home but...my memory must either be foggy, or it must've been changed at some point.

    It's the final. I've got an 8 year old daughter. I've seen this movie half a thousand times. He says she's born with it.

    Pretty solid credentials. I accept this as fact...unless something else emerges to debunk it. (like, say, a sequel)

    Yeah, if they come out with a sequel that explains it, I'd edit my answer as needed.

    I was going to chime in as an authority with two young daughters as well, but then for the first time in forever, I decided to just let it go.

    @corsiKa: Bad puns are bad. Put 2 quarters in the bad pun jar, please.

    @Zibbobz - The debunker has arrived!

    @Richard what has been debunked?

    @Mr.Mindor - "there is no other reference to how she got her powers" - Aside from the picture of her ancestor getting zapped with ice powers, obviously :-)

    @Richard: except it's not. It's a "possible" relative. There's no proof of it.

    @Richard, I tend to agree that it is pretty good evidence, but not solid proof beyond what we already suspected - it does lend some crednece to an inherited trait, and that is good to know, but the solid answer is "she was born that way". I'd recommend keeping that new information though - it's very releveant to this question.

    Hopefully they will clarify this someday. It still doesn't really make sense. Spirits never give powers to natives, but see Iduna do something selfless, and then either wait a decade and somehow track her down after she leaves, or otherwise "bless" her so that not her, but her future firstborn, Elsa, has ice powers, hoping that Elsa eventually hears a siren to return and somehow fix stuff by turning to ice and stuff for reasons. Would have connected better if Ahtohallan had been the river (or source thereof) that had been dammed.

  • Frozen is cited as being inspired by Hans Christian Andersen's The Snow Queen.

    However, the link seems pretty loose, and the titular Snow Queen's powers don't seem to have a specified origin beyond simply being her nature.

    Furthermore, Elsa's character doesn't really bear any resemblance to the character of the Snow Queen, and in general there is very little similarity between the plots.

    As MyCodeSucks points out, the only reference to the power's origin in Frozen is that Elsa was born with it.

    Originally, it was much closer, but it changed a lot in development.

  • Here's a quick summary of the history we learn from Frozen 2:

    There was a group of people called the Northuldra living in an enchanted forest to the north of Arendelle. These people had a great connection to magic, living and working with the four elementals (water, fire, earth, and air) up until the elementals were upset by conflict between the Northuldra and the Arendellians, which was started by Elsa and Anna's paternal grandfather, King Runeard of Arendelle. (Then) Prince Agnarr is saved by one of the Northuldra, Iduna, who becomes his wife (and of course they are Elsa and Anna's parents).

    As for what this makes Elsa:

    Elsa is the fifth elemental, born with her powers as a gift from nature due to her mother selflessly saving her father. She is destined to be a bridge between the mundane and magical worlds.

    Which means that her powers aren't from a curse after all.

    Indeed. And while this entirely retcons where her powers come from, it's still an answer worthy of an upvote.

  • The Grand Pabbie asks

    Born with the powers or cursed?

    and the King immediately says

    Born. And they're getting stronger.

    However, when Anna tells Elsa that her ice powers have set off an eternal winter "everywhere", Elsa loses hope and sings,

    Oh, I should have known, I can't be free/No escape from the storm inside of me/I can't control the curse/Anna, please, you'll only make it worse!

    Basically, Elsa calls it a curse because she sees it as one, but it isn't; she was born with it.

    Isn't it posible that she was born with a curse? I don't see why they have to be mutually exclusive.

  • I think elsa inherited her powers from someone such as a grandfather, who was cursed with ice powers( notice the book). Maybe they're going into the guy after all. And also notice that when Pabbie asks if she was born with them or cursed. The king says,"Cursed, born." He hesitates then says "born". So maybe she was somehow cursed around her birth. What do you think?

    I interpreted the hesitation as him waiting for an answer after asking if she had been cursed. "Cursed?" No answer. "Born."

  • Elsa I think got cursed by a evil witch or she got cursed from the trolls in the book. Based upon in Frozen how it shows you in the picture from a troll about a man that looks like he either got hit by this curse that he got from the troll or he was being healed.

    The picture shows a man being cured of the ice magic. Note that the magic is leaving him, in the same way that it left Else.

    @Richard a still image leaves no context. I can see that image easily being interpreted as cursed rather than uncursed.

    @cde - The runes (next to the picture) specifically state that he's being cured, not cursed by troll : http://lingaspect.wordpress.com/2014/03/13/deciphering-the-runes-book-in-frozen/

    @Richard see, that's the type of information that is desperately needed in an answer. Some animator's attention for detail is amazing. I normally expect things like random runes in a 3 second screenshot to be gibberish ipsum lorem, not relevant. And it's added connection to Tangled is interesting too. You should definitely answer this question with that info.

    @richard the thing is the troll in that picture seems ominous, dark, without any positive/happy expression. A shadowed clawed creature with (imho) aggressive eyes typically denotes a negative situation. Without your explanation, I honestly think that man is being cursed, not cured.

    @cde - I've updated my answer to reflect the content of the runes.

  • Maybe she was young and was out playing, maybe the girl from the ice queen wanted to get rid of her curse so she cursed Elsa and ran away.

    Or one of her ancestors had ice powers; notice the book and the way the Elsa's dad knew exactly where to go.

    The boring answer she was born with it.

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