How can Professor Xavier be alive?

  • In X-Men 3:The Last Stand, we see that Professor Charles Xavier died and Jean Grey killed him, and his body turned into pieces.

    But in X-Men: Days of Future Past he's alive and well.

    I'm pretty surprised that nobody asked about this before. Maybe the answer is too obvious and I'm missing something in the previous movie. I'm not following the comic, so I don't know that maybe this movie is set in an alternate universe.

    ADDITION: in the extra scene after the credits in X-Men 3: The Last Stand we see that Xavier has transferred his consciousness to the other body. But his own body already destroyed, so how can he regain his original body?

    It is my fond hope that some young X-Person will ask old Xavier this in the forthcoming *X-Men: Apocalypse#X-Men:_Apocalypse_.282016.29)*, so that we can hear the rich, authoritative voice of Patrick Stewart utter the immortal words “wibbley-wobbley timey-wimey”.

    @phantom42 I never saw the extra scene but it didn't say how he regain his body

    Well, your question was about how he survived - which the answers on the other question covered. If you want to focus on his recovery/return, you should edit your question.

    @student080705639 In answer to your Additional - It is the comatosed body of Charles Xaviers identical twin that he transfers his consciousness into - but that is irrelevant if my theory posted below holds true.

    @DrRDizzle he has a twin?? and where is his twin now? is he dead or is he live with Xavier?

    @student080705639 That's the thing, in the X-Men: The Last Stand universe, Charles Xaviers body was destroyed, so he transferred his consciousness into his comatosed (presumably brain dead) twins body, meaning that the other twin no longer exists as Charles is inhabiting his body - so he is theoretically "dead".

    There was nothing stating that was his twin brother... Unless I missed something... We all know that Xavier is a psychic so he could be projecting his likeness to anybody's consciousness instead of looking like the original guy's body.

    @student080705639 -And all other movie patrons- ATTENTION!!!, always finish watching the film which you paid good money to see. Leave the theater when the lights come on, not before. Zingers, as these nuggets of plot are known, can appear at any time during credits and have for a long time. I first saw one at the end of "Apocalypse Now".

    @DoctorWho22 I heard secondhand that the 'twin brother who Xavier has taken over' detail comes from a DVD commentary.

    Of course, Jean turned Xavier’s body to pieces using telepathy. So why couldn’t he put his body back together again using telepathy? He’s a pretty powerful telepath.

    I hope it doesn't turn out to be a dream

    The answer is simple - GREED - Hollywood milking their movie franchise for money, at least all the Rocky movies made some sense !

  • Dr R Dizzle

    Dr R Dizzle Correct answer

    6 years ago

    At the end of X-Men: The Last Stand, we see the comatosed, brain dead twin of Charles Xavier talking in Patrick Stewarts voice, implying that he somehow transferred his consciousness into his twins body, which is one theory. for how Charles Xavier is alive in the dark timeline of Days of Future Past.

    However, I have a (currently unprovable, thanks to lack of further films to fill in the gaps) theory about the relationship between Days of Future Past and the original X-Men films, including the two Wolverine spin offs.

    There is no implicit link between the dark future timeline in Days of Future Past and the original trilogy and Wolverine spin offs other than the characters and the actors who portray them. People are assuming that the events of the dark future timeline shown in Days of Future Past are part of the same universe as the original trilogy and the Wolverine spin offs, despite a massive amount of evidence in the form of plot inconsistencies and continuity issues that this is not true.

    I would go so far as to state that First Class and Days Of Future Past are a part of one X Men Universe, and that the original trilogy and the Wolverine spin offs are part of a seperate, now redundant universe. This would explain why Mystique and Professor X never acknowedged one another in the original trilogy, or that Bolivar Trask is a large, alive black man in X-Men: The Last Stand but a small, dead white man in the dark timeline of Days of Future Past, which people are assuming is the sequel to X-Men: The Last Stand. It explains away how Magneto would have ever escaped from prison after seemingly assassinating JFK to go on to be the bad guy of the original trilogy without Wolverine having gone into the past to set him free in the first place, as in the original trilogy we can just assume that was never implicated in the assassination of JFK.

    Personally, I find it easier to think of the orignal trilogy and the Wolverine spin offs as another, entirely seperate universe that has no canonical impact on the new universe that was created with First Class and continued with Days of Future Past.

    how do we know that he is a dead twin of Xavier?

    I think there is some merit to this theory, similar to how both the original (or *true* depending on your level of fandom) timeline of Star Trek and the Abramsverse reboot.

    However, I think the post credits scene from **The Wolverine** would link it to DOFP, so perhaps that movie exists in the dark timeline and X-Men Origins:Wolverine (shudder) is apart of the original trilogy.

    @Monty129 I would agree with you about The Wolverine if it wasn't linked to X-Men: The Last Stand (with Jean Greys death at the hands of Wolverine after the Phoenix Fiasco). I realise that the post credits scene seems to indicate Xavier and Magneto approaching Wolverine for help regarding the Sentinel program, but that occurs around 7 years before the events of Days of Future Past, and Trask Industries should have been active since the 70's, with the original Sentinel program going live at some point in that time. So it is easier to put The Wolverine in the original universe, not the new one.

    @student080705639 In the directors commentary for the X-Men: The Last Stand DVD it is revealed that the man that Charles transferred his consciousness to was really his identical twin brother, whose mind had been destroyed at birth when Charles power's manifested. (Although this itself is another continuity error, as previous films have established that powers develop at puberty, not birth.)

    I have not seen DOFP. But from what I have seen in the trailers, etc. there is some time travel happening. So it could be possible, that the actions in the past changed the outcome in present. The timeline 'simply' split.

    @jnovacho I have seen Days of Future Past, but the timelines split in 1973, but there are still continuity issues between First Class/Days of Future Past and the original trilogy/Wolverine spin offs before that time and what we know about both timelines presented in Days of Future Past. It really is better to look at First Class and Days of Future Past as a new universe, similar to how the Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 are not part of the same universe as Spiderman , 2 and 3.

    @DrRDizzle Why is the twin (as seen in DoFP, as you propose) also paraplegic?

    "There is no implicit link between the dark future timeline in Days of Future Past and the original trilogy" -- wrong. We see Wolverine flashback to events in the 200X trilogy, implying that Future-Wolverine is from the same timeline as the trilogy and thus all other Future characters, too, including Xavier. (The movie spawns a new timeline, obviously, but that's not of import here.)

    @Raphael I am not proposing that the twin is in DOFP as I believe that the events of X-Men: The Last Stand did not occur in the same universe as the events in DOFP. As for Wolerines flashbacks - just because similar events happened in one universe to events in another (specifically, Wolverine gaining adamantium claws from William Stryker) doesn't mean that they are part of the same universe - see Uncle Ben's death in both Spiderman and the Amazing Spiderman.

    I just wanted to state that the person named Trask in the X-Men 3 is only loosely based on Bolivar Trask it's NOT the same person. http://xmenmovies.wikia.com/wiki/Bolivar_Trask

    This is also evidenced by looking at the cast info for X-Men Last Stand, as the black man is only credited as Trask and does not have a first name in the IMDB.

    Even if you decide that the Trask in X-Men: The Last Stand is a distant relative or not at all related to Bolivar from DOFP, there are still so many continuity errors between First Class/Days of Future Past and th oroginal trilogy/Wolverine spin offs then it is just easier to classify them as seperate universes until a film proves otherwise, which I hope does not happen. This is all just my head cannon at the moment, but it is feasible as canon.

    Not really considering that Wolverine in the movie has memories of the "other universe events"... If they were two completely different universes there would not be flashbacks in Days of Future Past of Wolverine remembering killing Jean in X-3... In which Xavier says "You poor poor man"

    @DoctorWho22 I'd forgot about that, but it could still be similar events in an alternative universe. By excluding the original trilogy and the spin offs, continuity errors in the dark timeline disappear completely, allowing for a more straightforward set of timelines. It's preferable for someone who cares about continuity (me).

    I just feel like this is kind of like back to the future where is one continuity as long as things aren't changed.... Original Trilogy and spin offs lead to dark reality in the future, so they decide to send somebody back in time to change it. Future wolverine's mind is in past wolverine's body as long as wolverine doesn't change the fact that Mystique kills trask the dark future timeline still exists... As soon as she doesn't that timeline is gone and replaced with the new one. Pretty much the picture I added depicts it right side is old continuity.

    @DoctorWho22 I agree with you that the official timeline is that the original trilogies and the spin offs did actually happen as part of the darker timeline. My arguement is that due to continuity errors, from a fan perspective it is easier for me to pretend that it is a new universe, and some of the events in the unseen dark timeline are similar to key moments in the original trilogy. Consider it a fan theory, like Zion being another level of the Matrix rather than reality.

    Same universe, just different timelines. The movie timelines are almost as confusing (if not more) than the comic timelines.

    This is the better written explanation, but the other answer has a graph that makes life easier for a lot of people having issues here.

    @DrRDizzle "this itself is another continuity error, as previous films have established that powers develop at puberty, not birth" There's a lot of those, then, given that Jean Grey's powers manifested way before she reached her puberty.

  • There are a few things to point out that are probably not going to be explained but here goes.

    First of all all the movies up to this point prior to Days of Future Past are in one timeline. There is no "other universe" in my opinion as the other person theorized. There are a few reasons for this, one thing that was explained as the fact that Trask was black in X-Men 3... When in fact I don't believe that his first name was ever mentioned. I read he was loosely based on Bolivar Trask. Another is why would Xavier see Wolverine's memories of the original trilogy if Days of Future Past's dark future is not part of the original movies universe?

    Anyway back to the reason that Xavier is alive and my own theory.

    At the end of X-Men 3, you see a comatose patient who Xavier transferred his consciousness to. It's unstated whether this person is related to Xavier. What we do know is that we see Xavier in a wheelchair and having his powers. Now there's a few things that we can take from this including information that we know in Days of Future Past.

    • Xavier's powers come from his mutant genes
    • Beast is shown as being able to manipulate DNA using the formula to
      make him look human. Perhaps when Xavier woke up in his new body he didn't have his powers, but with the help of Beast he was able to
      change his DNA so that he could use his powers again. This is evidenced by the fact that Xavier says in the dark future said that he didn't have his powers in 1973, since he took too much of the formula.
    • The reason that he could be in the wheelchair is because that body was always comatose so perhaps his body is incapable of walking to begin with, which could be the reason he is in the wheelchair.

    In fact I believe the only reason he doesn't associate with Mystique is during the original trilogy is because he felt most likely that he couldn't get Raven back and just treated her as Mystique.

    As we can see evidenced from Wolverine's original memories, you can see the flashbacks of what happened in the original X-Men trilogy when Xavier looked into his mind after attempting to use Cerebro, and at the end where he says to Xavier that history would be different than he remembered starting from 1973... We can determine that all the movies were most likely all one canon universe. This movie serves as a way to retcon the entire series after 1973, which allows them to create new stories much like a new Star Trek parallel universe was made when Nero traveled back in time and changed the events at a certain time in the Star Trek reboot.

    I even found an image of the timelines they are not two universes, it's like back to the future with the split timelines.

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    If that is the case, then how can you explain Xavier walking in 1986 next to Magneto to go meet Jean Grey in X-Men: The Last Stand, when he was paralysed and fell out with Magneto in 1962? Or that in the original X-Men, Charles claims that Jean and Scott were some of his first students, even though they clearly weren't in First Class or Days of Future Past? Xavier says he and Magneto built Cerebro in X-Men, but in First Class we see that Hank McCoy built it. And that's just a few continuity errors that the original trilogy bring to the table, there are many more.

    And how can you say that there's nothing linking the two and say that they are two different universes when Wolverine has memories of killing Jean in Days of Future Past... It's pretty much Occam's Razor even though there are inconsistencies the simplest answer aka that they are all one universe is usually the correct one. Yes there's always inconsistencies but it doesn't mean they are not in the same continuity.

    It's also literally stated as a PREQUEL to X-Men, it's not stated as some other universe continuity.

    Also a few points, Charles didn't start his "school" until after the events of First Class. He simply used Cerebro to fight against Shaw. Second walking Xavier in 1986 could be Charles still using Beast's formula, the only reason his powers didn't work was because he was taking TOO much of it as stated by Beast in Days of Future Past. Xavier might have also meant that Jean and Scott were the some of his first students after he reopened the school after the events in 1973 and the Vietnam war ended.

    All this is a lot more probable then saying days of future past and first class were two completely different universes when first class was meant to be a prequel to the X-Men series and not set in a different continuity. It also explains why Wolverine remembers the events of the trilogy in Days of Future Past. It also explains why at the end of the movie Wolverine is so shocked to see Jean because she died in the X-Men Last Stand.

    Oh yeah and this... http://xmenmovies.wikia.com/wiki/Cerebro Years later, Xavier and Erik Lehnsherr built the current Cerebro in the subbasement of the X-Mansion.

    Sorry, I didn't mean it to sound like I was having a go at your answer. Wolverine could be shocked to see Jean at the end because he might have still had to kill her in the darker timeline, or maybe he saw her get killed by Sentinels. Although Days of Future Past has provided a clean timeline from now on, the dark timeline still has heaps of errors if you include the original trilogy and the spin offs in it. As far as I am concerned, both are feasible theories depending how far you are willing to stretch to close a continuity error.

    Actually no because when he wakes up he doesn't remember the new timeline he only remembers the old one... Which is why he tells Xavier the last thing he remembers is drowning... This isn't like Butterfly effect where his brain suddenly gets seared with a new timeline. And I explained all of the "errors"... Essentially Days of future past dark timeline is all one timeline including X-Men trilogy, X-men First Class, and Origins.

  • There's one scene after the credits in The Wolverine where Professor X and Magneto find wolverine in airport and ask for his help. Logan asked xavier how it was possible for him to be there and Xavier replied with "Like I said before Logan, you're not the only one with gifts"

    This is a good start to an answer, but it needs to be expanded on about what these "gifts" are that X is referring to.

    Hah! I forgot about this scene. I think from this we're meant to understand that the filmmakers knew there would be forum posts just like this one with a bunch of fans geeking out about split timelines, gene therapy and whatnot and they're saying, "we will never give an explanation. Just, you know, enjoy the film".

  • One thing that I have not seen mentioned is that Professor X has the ability to project his consciousness to the astral plane, the same as Dr. Strange. He also has the ability Mind Possession In which he can take over someone's mind and use their body as his own as well as mind transferal (Mind Transferal: able to transfer both his mind and powers into other host bodies if his own physical body could be somehow killed.) I have always believed this to be his greatest ability and greatest strength as a hero. See Professor X list of abilities here.

  • It is mentioned in Mutant/Human ethics class by Charles, "What if we could, say, transfer one person's consciousness into the body of another?" alluding to Charles's powers AND the fact that he transferred his mind into the body of his twin who in the comics was born with ZERO higher brain function but was nontheless fully alive. Charles's Gift that he developed was entering his twin's mind thus transferring his consciousness into his twin.

  • We know that Charles used his powers to transfer his consciousness into what amounts to an empty vessel - body on life support but without consciousness.

    What I'm specifically addressing is how he's able to do that into a replica of himself. One offered answer was that it was a dead twin.

    Given his powers to project into and control the minds of others, I'd suggest that it's not a given that the body looks anything like him. That could very well be what he makes everyone THINK they are seeing.

    The first two paragraphs replicate the answer above. The last paragraph is pure supposition.

    Well, it's a work of science fiction where they don't explicitly go through the mechanics of the re-animation. That makes ANY answer supposition. I didn't "replicate" the previous answer, I REFERENCED them to show that I'm not ignoring those aspects of the question, just addressing another one, especially since the "previously unknown 'dead' twin" is such a absurdly unimaginative and weak cop-out. He's demonstrated the ability to project what he wants people to see, before. That's not "supposition."

    I don't disagree, but do you have any evidence that that's what he's doing *in this instance*? Or is this just a fan-theory?

    I believe the wording of the question is "how can...?", not "How did..." - That's asking about possibilities.

    While fan-theories are fun, that's not really what we're about. The fact that the wording of the question is slightly fluffy doesn't mean it's open-season on guesswork answers

    Hardly "open season." The answer offered is focused, not random. To compare it to "wild mass guessing" is a bit rude, on your part. Given his powers, any answer that doesn't consider the possibility is incomplete, given that he's demonstrated that he's done this before. Which is why I offered just that portion in my answer. That's one of the main ways he exercises his powers.

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