### How to improve torque and RPM of a DC motor?

I have an FA-130 motor (DC) with permanent magnet, my power source is a 2 AA batteries (rechargeable) so a total of 2.4v.

Assume that all cases will start from the same specification, theoretically, what would happen if I do the following?

**Case 1**: Increase/Decrease strength of permanent magnets. What would happen to torque and RPM? Why?**Case 2**: Increase/Decrease size of magnet wires. What would happen to torque, power consumption and RPM? Why?**Case 3**: Increase/Decrease the size of armature. What would happen to torque, power consumption and RPM? Why?**Case 4**: Increase/Decrease the number of turns (coil). What would happen to torque, power consumption and RPM? Why?In general, how can I increase the torque and RPM of this motor given a constant voltage?

Please, explain it as if you're talking to a 6-year old kid, I'm not knowledgeable in this field but I want to know the concept.

it does typically, but not always, because there are varying parameters in that model. Vemf represents it's back voltage. So I'm thinking how I could explain it to a 6th year kid .

@sandundhammika thanks, maybe I could put a little more effort, you can consider me a 12 year-old now who knows nothing about electronics...

I thought you asking how to teach this to 6th year kid,I'm confused, sorry.

I think I somehow understood EMF now, I saw this, "Anytime an inductor (in this case the coil) passes through an electric field, it creates a voltage. This is how generators work. This is still true when the motor spins under it’s own power. But, this voltage is going the opposite direction of the voltage we are putting into the motor to make it spin, so it subtracts. This is called back voltage or back EMF. At a certain speed, the back voltage equals the voltage we put into the motor, and (in a perfect world), when the motor is maxed out in RPM, and no electricity flows, thus no current."

see the model , there's not only back emf voltage, there are many parameters,such as pure resistance, R, and leakage flux "L". Normally we control motors using Duty cycle and some feedback.

I think somebody else will explain that model simply to you.so wait.

@dpp seems like what you are really interested in is improving speed of a given motor. There are definitely more advanced commutation methods that trade complexity for speed. See FOC, "field weakening", TIs instanspin/powerwarp, etc. Field weakenkng, altho hardly a new idea, definitely allows you to drive bldcs to higher rpms than normal. S.

Field weakening allows higher speed at the expense of torque, so this isn't really what @dpp is looking for.

embedded.kyle Correct answer

8 years agoI'm going to assume that this 6 year old has at least a little background in physics. I'm going to start off by answering why each result will occur with a lot of math to describe the physics behind it all. Then I will answer each case individually with the math providing the reasoning behind each result. I will wrap up by answering your "in general" question.

# Why?

The answer to all of your "Why?" questions is: Physics! Specifically Lorentz's law and Faraday's law. From here:

The torque of the motor is determined by the equation:

$$\tau = K_t \cdot I~~~~~~~~~~(N \cdot m)$$

Where:

\$\tau = \text{torque}\$

\$K_t = \text{torque constant}\$

\$I = \text{motor current}\$The torque constant, \$K_t\$, is one of the main motor parameters that describe the specific motor based on the various parameters of its design such as magnetic strength, number of wire turns, armature length, etc. as you've mentioned. Its value is given in torque per amp and is calculated as:

$$K_t = 2 \cdot B \cdot N \cdot l \cdot r~~~~~~~~~~(N \cdot m / A)$$

Where:

\$B = \text{strength of magnetic field in Teslas}\$

\$N = \text{number of loops of wire in the magnetic field}\$

\$l = \text{length of magnetic field acting on wire}\$

\$r = \text{radius of motor armature}\$The Back-EMF voltage is determined by:

$$V = K_e \cdot \omega~~~~~~~~~~(volts)$$

Where:

\$V = \text{Back-EMF voltage}\$

\$K_e = \text{voltage constant}\$

\$\omega = \text{angular velocity}\$Angular velocity is the speed of the motor in radians per second (rad/sec) which can be converted from RPM:

$$\text{rad/sec} = \text{RPM}\times\dfrac{\pi}{30}$$

\$K_e\$ is the second main motor parameter. Funnily enough, \$K_e\$ is calculated using the same formula as \$K_t\$ but is given in different units:

$$K_e = 2 \cdot B \cdot N \cdot l \cdot r~~~~~~~~~~(volts/rad/sec)$$

Why does \$K_e = K_t\$? Because of the physical law of Conservation of Energy. Which basically states that the electrical power put into the motor needs to equal the mechanical power got out of the motor. Assuming 100% efficiency:

\$P_{in} = P_{out}\$

\$V \cdot I = \tau \cdot \omega\$Substituting the equations from above we get:

\$(K_e \cdot \omega) \cdot I = (K_t \cdot I) \cdot \omega\$

\$K_e = K_t\$# Cases

I'm going to assume that each parameter is being changed in isolation.

**Case 1:**Magnetic field strength is directly proportional to the torque constant, \$K_t\$. So as magnetic field strength is increased or decreased, the torque, \$\tau\$, will increase or decrease proportionally. Which makes sense because the stronger the magnetic field, the stronger the "push" on the armature.Magnetic field strength is also directly proportional to the voltage constant, \$K_e\$. However \$K_e\$ is inversely proportional to the angular velocity:

$$\omega = \dfrac{V}{K_e}$$

So, as the magnetic field increases, the speed will decrease. This again makes sense because the stronger the magnetic field, the stronger the "push" on the armature so it will resist a change in speed.

Because power out is equal to torque times angular velocity, and power in equals power out (again, assuming 100% efficiency), we get:

$$P_{in} = \tau \cdot \omega$$

So any change to torque or speed will be directly proportional to the power required to drive the motor.

**Case 2:**(A bit more math here that I didn't explicitly go over above) Going back to Lorentz's law we see that:$$\tau = 2 \cdot F \cdot r = 2 (I \cdot B \cdot N \cdot l) r$$

Therefore:

$$F = I \cdot B \cdot N \cdot l$$

Thanks to Newton we have:

$$F = m \cdot g$$

So...

$$\tau = 2 \cdot m \cdot g \cdot r$$

If you keep the length of the wire the same but increase its gauge, the mass will increase. As can be seen above, mass is directly proportional to torque just like magnetic field strength so the same result applies.

**Case 3:**The radius of the armature, \$r\$ in our equations above, is again directly proportional to our motor constants. So, once again, we have the same results as we increase and decrease its length.*Starting to see a pattern here?***Case 4:**The number of turns of our wire, \$N\$ in our equations above, is also directly proportional to our motor constants. So, as usual, we have the same results as we increase and decrease the number of turns.# In general

If it isn't obvious by now, torque and speed are inversely proportional:

There is a trade-off to be made in terms of power input to the motor (voltage and current) and power output from the motor (torque and speed):

$$V \cdot I = \tau \cdot \omega$$

If you want to keep the voltage constant, you can only increase current. Increasing current will only increase torque (and the total power being supplied to the system):

$$\tau = K_t \cdot I$$

In order to increase speed, you need to increase voltage:

$$\omega = \dfrac{V}{K_e}$$

If you want to keep the input power constant, then you need to modify one of the physical motor parameters to change the motor constants.

I think this is what I'm looking for, you gave me all I need! I nearly grasp the concept without understanding the formula. I think I should really study more, seems like one cannot create an effective motor using theories alone.

Thats a hell of a generous answer for a homework question.

Thank you so much for this. I have a midterm on this tomorrow and I think I would just have been pasting formulas from rote memorisation if not for you.

@Asad You're very welcome! Good luck on your test!

@insta that isn't my homework, that's for my toy car.

Can you tell me how the car's fans rotate so quickly with only 12v and since current only increase torque and not speed? (i'm noob) Is there some voltage converter?

@Ismael Well, the blades themselves are usually quite light, plastic or aluminum, so it doesn't take much torque to move it. Torque and speed are inversely proportional. With the voltage being a constant 12V, to go faster, you need to decrease \$K_e\$ by decreasing any of the component values. To get it going fast you can use weak magnets, like ceramic or more likely Alnico, to decrease \$B\$, and small magnets to decrease \$l\$. Or you could decrease the number of turns of the stator wire to decrease \$n\$. Or have a really short armature to decrease \$r\$.

Great answer here! I just want to clarify this: you say increasing current increases torque "at the expense of speed". But increasing current doesnt affect Ke in the speed equation, since Ke and Kt are motor constants. So speed should remain the same but torque has now increased and the overall power supplied is also increased? The inverse relationship between speed and torque only comes into play, when any of the factors of the motor constants is altered? Thanks in advance.

@TisteAndii Good catch. That was a poor choice of words on my parts. I've edited to hopefully be a little clearer. But you are correct. Increasing current increases input power and output torque but does not effect speed. If power is held constant, then modifying any of the motor parameters would effect both torque *and* speed. This is because \$K_t = K_e\$ and because current is *multiplied* by the constant to get torque and voltage is *divided* by the constant to get speed.

What exactly does it mean by "length of the magnetic field acting on the wire"?

@Tanenthor Does "length of wire in a magnetic field" make any more sense? Take a look at the pictures. They show what is meant by \$l\$.

@embedded.kyle Ahh, I think I know what you mean now. And what about the section on Case 2, I don't really understand how the Force equation is being implemented and the use of "g" instead of "a" for acceleration.

@Tanenthor "g" is commonly substituted for "a" in the force formula when the acceleration in question is due to gravitational effects (on Earth 9.8m/s^2). It doesn't really fit here and I'm not sure why I used it (question is 4 years old at this point). What I'm doing is simply trading the electromagnetism definition of force (in terms of current and magnetic field strength) for the physical one (mass and acceleration) to show how the mass of the wire effect torque.

One explanation is to consider that power \$P\$ is the product of current \$I\$ and voltage \$E\$:

\$ P = IE \$

Power is measured in watts, and is the rate of energy use. Energy is measured in joules, and a watt is convienently defined as one joule per second.

The application of a motor, usually, is to apply a force to a thing to move it. In physics, this is called work, which is equal to the product of force \$F\$ and distance \$d\$:

\$ W = Fd \$

You asked about increasing

*torque*and*RPM*. Torque is just a rotating force, and RPM is just a rotating speed. So the definition of work is half of what you asked (it has torque in it), and speed and distance are obviously related. It seems like we are really close. You don't want to just do more work with your motor, you want to do work*faster*. You want to increase force and speed, not force and distance. Is there a physical term for this in a mechanical system?Yes! It's also called power. In a mechanical system, power is the product of force and velocity:

\$P = Fv\$

Or to use the equivalent terms for a rotational system, power is the product of torque and angular velocity:

\$ P = \tau \omega \$

This is just what you asked. You want the motor to apply more torque and spin faster. You want to increase power. You want to use energy faster.

The law of conservation of energy tells us that if we want to increase mechanical power, we have to increase electrical power also. After all, we can't make the motor spin with magic. If electrical power is the product of voltage and current, then increasing either voltage or current, if the other is held constant, will increase electrical power.

When you change the strength of the magnets, or add or remove turns of wire, you can't increase power. You

*can*, however, trade voltage for current, or current for voltage, just like a mechanical transmission can trade RPM and torque. Lenz's law and other laws of electromagnetic induction explain why this is true, but they aren't really necessary to answer your question, if you simply accept the law of conservation of energy.Given all that, your question was "How to improve torque and RPM of a DC motor". You can improve it by giving it more energy, or you can make it more efficient. Some sources of loss are:

- friction in the bearings
- resistance in the windings
- magnetic resistance in the winding cores
- electromagnetic radiation from commutators
- losses in the wires, battery, transistors, and other things supplying electrical energy to the motor

All these serve to make the motor less than a 100% efficient converter of electrical and mechanical energy. Reducing any of them usually increases something else undesirable, frequently cost or size.

An interesting thought: This is why electric hybrid cars can get better mileage in the city. Stopping at a red light converts all the energy of your moving car into heat at the brake pads, which isn't useful. Because a motor is a converter between electrical and mechanical energy, a hybrid car can convert this energy not into heat, but instead into electrical energy, store it in a battery, then convert it back to mechanical energy when the light is green. For further reading, try How can I implement regenerative braking of a DC motor?

Hi, in my experiments I noticed that when I increase the size of wire and decrease the number of turns, I get higher RPM and better torque, why is that? I didn't increase the power source (still 2.4v). By the way, your answer helped me.

@dpp 2.4V isn't the magnitude of the power source, it's just the voltage. You also have to measure current to know how much power you were delivering. Decreasing the number of turns weakens the magnetic field per amp, which also reduces the back-emf, which improves RPM but reduces torque for a given power. But, you also used bigger wire, which has less resistance, which make the motor more efficient _and_ allows you to deliver more current/power with a given voltage. \$P = E^2/R\$ and \$I = E/R\$. If you measure the current you will find that power went up, and you drain the battery faster.

@Thanks Phil, the way you answer makes it easier for me to understand, I mean by saying which causes what etc.

Although you have received very good and detailed answers, I would like to offer a

**very simple**answer utilizing the formulas already presented:$$\tau = 2.B.N.l.r.I $$ This formula clearly shows that the torque is**directly proportional**to the magnetic field strength, the number of turns the length of the loop, the radius of the armature and the current in the wires. So, as any of these variables**increase or decrease, so does the torque**.The other formula, $$\omega = V/2.B.N.l.r.I$$ clearly shows that the RPM is

**inversely proportional**to the same variables. Therefore, as they**increase, the RPM decreases, and vice-versa**.If you increase the wire gauge, you increase the current (I) and thereby the torque. If you also decrease the number of turns, you will decrease the torque. Whether the

**total**torque increases or decreases, depends on which effect is larger.I decided that having brushless motor and adding ball bearings will help. I guess the friction reduces the RPM and the effectiveness of torque.

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Standard Sandun 8 years ago

may be this model will be helpful, http://robotics.ee.uwa.edu.au/courses/embedded/tutorials/tutorials/tutorial_6/Tutorial_6.htm