Why is 180 degrees C so common in recipes?

  • Is there any particular reason 180 degrees Celsius is so commonly called for in baking, roasting, deep frying?

    Because 180 deg is Pi radians. Get it? Pie. Radians.

    Pie are squared. It is true.

    Pie are round. Cornbread are square.

  • SAJ14SAJ

    SAJ14SAJ Correct answer

    7 years ago

    Ovens are by their nature a high-heat cooking method, and thus create a temperature gradient in the food. The outside of the item is the hottest, because it is in contact with the hot air, and exposed to the radiant (infrared) heat coming from the oven walls, ceiling and floor.

    Heat from the outside then conducts into the inside overtime. The effect of this is that the surface of the food will be the hottest, and the center the coolest.,

    180 C (350 F) is a moderate oven. It balances:

    • Cooking the food through
    • Overcooking the outside

    It is suitable for a wide range of baked goods and other dishes, although often within limits (especially for non-baked goods) you can trade temperature and time off.

    Note that a single oven can only have one temperature, and a moderate oven is good for many cakes and cookies; for baking and heating through casseroles; for roasting root vegetables; for maintaining a braise; and for roasting many meats; and many other tasks. If you want to have multiple items in the oven at the same time, it is a good temperature to choose that will give good results for a wide variety of items, even if it is not ideal for every item.

    Still, it is not ideal for every cooking technique and food item. Low and slow roasting (for tremendously succulent pulled pork, brisket, and so on) is done as low as 200 F (93 C); some people favor high temperature roasting of certain meats to get a crispy exterior while maintaining a rare interior with temperatures of 450 F (232 C), or even higher.

    Many breads are baked at higher temperatures--and of course, pizza infamously is ideally done at temperatures home ovens cannot even achieve, so at home they are often baked at the maximum oven setting around 550 F (280 C).

    Deep frying is a separate matter, and it is a complete coincidence that the ideal temperature for deep frying matches that of roasting.

    The way deep frying works is that the heat of the oil heats the outside of the food, but it is hot enough to nearly instantly vaporize the water at the surface of the food. This water creates a small pocket of vapor around the food, preventing the oil from entering and making the item completely oily. In order for this effect to happen, the oil must be sufficiently hot which starts around 180 C / 350 F.

    On the other hand, again, you don't want the food to burn on the outside before it cooks through, but more importantly, you don't want the oil smoking, and developing off flavors (many culinary fats have a smoke point starting not too far above these temperatures). For these reasons, frying much above this temperature is generally not a good idea. Most ideal frying temperatures are somewhere in the 350 F - 365 F (180 C 0 185 C) range.

    I suspect many recipes indicate 350 F simply because it has become common and conventional.

    Picky people look at 180°C and see 356°F, but this is cooking, not analytical chemistry. 176.67°C is just not a convenient number to try to set your oven at.

    @WayfaringStranger Sure, but those numbers only had two significant digits anyway :-) :-) :-)

    Can you provide some more details about pizza? This is the first I've heard of the temperature being so high.

    That would be at least a question and probably a book. Professional pizzeria ovens are often in the range of 700-900 F (370 - 480 C). The pizzas bake very rapidly.

    As @SAJ14SAJ says, it's a bookworthy topic. The basic gist is that you want the crust to be crisp on the bottom and the cheese lightly browned on top, but the center of the crust to be chewy. This is achieved by very high heat and very short cooking time - sometimes as little as 1-2 minutes, for brick-oven pizzas. Note that some recipes - such as pan or deep-dish pizza - alter this significantly because the pizza is thicker - you have to lower the heat and increase the time so it doesn't burn the exterior before the interior is ready.

    @SAJ14SAJ I was happy to see you mentioned deep frying. Allow me to add that the ratio between the amount of heated oil and the amount of food being cooked in it is important. The water in the food is effectively a refrigerant above the temperature at which water boils. If you monitor the temperature of the oil while deep frying different amounts of food, the importance of the oil;food ratio becomes clear in a couple of batches or so.

  • In Sweden, I have never seen 180 C in a recipe. Very common is 225, followed by 175 and 200. (As far as I have seen, for baking cakes, bread, and gratinating)

    This site lists the oven temperature for some various game. It is either 125 or 150.

    For more domestic meat, mostly 175 C is recommended by SwedishMeat.

    The reason for the 25/75 endings is probably because ovens in Sweden are labeled this way.

    Interesting to know 180 being "common" could be a locale thing. Thanks for your input!

    175 F is, of course, closer to 350 F than 180 C. :-) FWIW, I just baked a cake from a Norwegian recipe, which called for 180 C. When I bake bread I go for 390 F (200 C). Part of the difference is that for bread I want a crust, however I don't want that for the cake.

  • 180°C is about the temperature where carbonization begins, and the formation of flavorful 'fond' (caramelization) occurs. Below that temperature you are baking, and above that roasting.

    As you get farther into the science of cooking or 'modernist cuisine' you'll see that certain changes occur in the sous vide (<100°C) range, yet others (like starch gelatinization & some Maillard reactions) occur between 100°C and 150°C. Additionally, you'll learn about some more extreme reactions such as oil browning and changes to heterocyclic compounds, which occur at yet higher temperatures.

    Some chefs have understood these differences more intuitively, and I'd suggest looking up James Beard's 'Theory & Practice of Good Cooking' where he discusses baking vs roasting, as well as Mark Bittman (now a vegetarian I believe) and his articles in Cook's Illustrated and NYT regarding the proper roasting of a bird at up to 500°F (260°C), and not below 400°F (205°C).

    Temperatures make a large difference in the reactions that take place and the resulting texture, flavor and color.

    -- The other poster here is mistaken; it's not a coincidence that ~350°F to 375°F (175°C-190°C) is the 'deep frying' temperature. Deep frying temperatures are chosen with two constraints; the temp must be high enough for some carbonization (degradation) of carbohydrates to occur (>175°C) but low enough to avoid carbonization of the oils (<200°C, the smoke temp for most oils). Cooking with some limited/controlled carbonization is the entire point of deep frying and determines the -very tight- range of temperature.

  • May have something to do with Mailard/browning reactions ( google) which need some temperature to get going. You could conceivably bake bread at a much lower temp, but you would not get browning or "baked" flavors, just mush flavors.

    Is that "google" intended to be a link or a reference to something else?

  • 350 F or 180 C causes a Maillard effect which browns bread meat an so on, much like caramelizing, but chemically different. Look up Maillard (or My-ar). A French scientist.

    My understanding is that the Maillard reaction can occur as low as 80°C, albeit more slowly. Why 180, specifically? Why not 150 or 200?

  • 180 C is a standard temperature for good roasting and cooking (deep frying) of food in order to allow crispy outcome.

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